Response to CBS Sunday Morning Report – A Dying Hobby

I have said some pretty pointed things in the past, but I think this might be one take that needs some old fashioned venom. This post will be in direct response to the idiots at CBS Sunday morning, who took it upon themselves to report un-researched crap on a very touchy subject that hits very close to home. 

In the report, Armen Keteyian, the reporter from CBS news, decided he was going to break down an industry that has dropped 75% in sales since the mid 1990s.

He whiffed on reporting the biggest market segment of the industry, shown here with some of these UNBELIEVABLE recent sales:

Michael Jordan Precious Metal Gems – BGS 8.5

Cam Newton Topps Chrome Red Refractor Auto

Bowman Chrome Bryce Harper Red Refractor Auto BGS 9

In the course of his report, Keteyian made numerous hyperbolic statements with the help of a number of people who were commenting on behalf of the entire population of card collectors. Without knowing, his ridiculously broad statements intended to describe the INDUSTRY (people responsible for selling the cards) were instead directed at the HOBBY (people who collect said cards). For that, he deserves to get his smug look smacked straight off his face.

Although he is correct that sales are down significantly since the 1990s collecting boom, he fails to understand how separate these sales are from collecting. I agree that at some point, the industry producing new cards in the way it is now, will be dead. However, the people collecting these cards will ALWAYS be around. Not only that, but traditional card collecting will transform into something different, much like it did when the first memorabilia card hit the market in 1995. Painting with broad strokes is something that national media members should avoid, period. Similarly, I dont think its fair to highlight the most disconnected members of the vast network of collectors to represent a group that has actually rebounded in the last few years. Its like picking on the weak because you know they will tell the story you want, rather than what is actually happening.

Keteyian is using a paradigm of the old pre-internet and pre-ebay days of the hobby to define something that has changed drastically since that time. Its like saying “the flip phone is dying” without considering that there are new smart phones that have replaced it. Its a lazy argument, and I think it was in bad taste to report a skewed reality of a hobby conducted almost 85% on the internet. Its like me writing about the future of computers without talking about Tablets.  There was not one goddamned mention of the thousands of daily blog readers, internet message board active users, and ebay buyers, who have all replaced the outdated card show attendees that Mr. Mint used to do all his shady business at. No one, in any similar industry, is continuing to bank on the face to face interactions of its customers. No one. This is especially so if the majority of business for that industry is done online, like with books, movies, and even TV.

The 1990s were the golden age of collectables because the economy was incredible. Card companies were printing money? No shit. Everyone was printing money, because Bill Clinton was running the country’s economy at a level that was unheard of. Once 9/11 hit, the bubble burst on EVERYTHING, not just on cards. Since that time, collectables have slowly been coming around, even after taking a huge hit with the recession over the latter part of the 2000s. Per capita disposable income is down, which obviously means that everything purchased with that money is also down by association. Keteyian replied to one of my tweets saying this fact was not obvious to the viewers of the show, which I find ludicrous.

His main point was that kids are not coming to the hobby the way they used to, and therefore there is no future for collecting. That is a blatant oversight of the target demographic of cards and collecting these days. In the modern era, Adults are the target market for any collectable, not kids, as evidenced by the sheer number of them at the national card show. Hell, how many 8 year olds attended the San Diego Comic Con this year? 3? Give me a fucking break.

Kids are not the future of our hobby, the marketing to the millions of casual sports fans is.  Kids have limited income and spending power, and that alone shows they should have some but not the majority of the focus. Target the people with the money, and that is people like me, and the other readers of this site. With 4 million eBay auctions currently being offered, its pretty clear that someone is buying, even if Mr. Mint only gets 25 calls a day. Maybe Keteyian should have asked how much of his sales portfolio is done over the internet instead of at a tiny card show in a tiny town.

Bottom line, I dont think there is anything to worry about in terms of the hobby OR the industry, even with Upper Deck taking on a ton of water. If Keteyian actually talked to people that mattered, he would have found out that things arent dying, just rerouting from old fashioned methods. Its a shift, not a death, and the quicker that people get that through their fucking heads, everything will be peachy.

3 thoughts on “Response to CBS Sunday Morning Report – A Dying Hobby

  1. While I think CBS’ report is pretty mediocre journalism, you cannot simply ignore all of the issues it brings up.

    The lack of kids collecting cards will become a very large problem over the long term, once today’s middle aged collectors start to grow old and die off. Most collectors start collecting when they are kids, which means that a lack of kids collecting today equals a lack of middle-aged big money collectors in 20-30 years.

    Likewise, the dissappearance of card shows is a bigger issue than many people are willing to admit. Ebay and the internet are great when you know exactly what you are looking for, but card shows are where people discover new things to collect, interact with other collectors, and make impulse purchases. When a city like Seattle, where I live, hasn’t had a show with over 50 tables in 10+ years, you know that there is an opportunity being missed. Tri-Star is pretty much the only national promoter still out there, and even they still only do a few shows a year. There are tons of cities out there that are dying for a good card show, even if it is only once every 2-3 years.

  2. 300 table white plains ny show? No
    Tri star chicago show? No
    Sun times show? No
    Tues night pal show? OH YEAH! thats where all the action is.

    Another shit job by media

  3. Collecting is down a little. Speculating is still high. It is harder for “dealers” to scam old ladies out of the big finds as use of the internets and ebay has increased. People dont need the middle man as they can sell those big cards themselves with very little effort.

    Depends on where you live and the availability of card shows. Ive lived in Michigan, Indy and Eastern Ohio in the last 3 years.

    There was rarely a show in Michigan except for the now diminished Gibraltar but there arent many card stores in MI either.

    There was a show almost every weekend that was less than an hour drive from downtown Indy and the quality and quantity was very good. Didnt find many stores there either,

    In OH, I am half hour from Cleveland and Canton. There is a show less than an hour away every weekend but the quality of items is a lot lower. A lot of shows have toys, books, comics, military and other sports related items that are not cards. Most of the dealers at shows are not shop owners either which I understand. Why set up at a show if you have a store.

    The biggest gripe I have about the shows here is an admission charge that isnt given back with a purchase or in the form of a door prize. A lot of the times the charge admission for the wife…

    2nd gripe is the show hours are posted as 9-4pm. I show up at 1pm and every one is packing up. Shows arent hard to start up in an area but you need to stick with them, build the vendor list and word of mouth..

    I rarely saw wax at any of them. Indy had a lot of high quality singles from across the teams and sports. Shows around Ohio have a lot of Browns, Steelers and Buckeyes of which I have no interest and I rarely see rarer short auto cards.

    Ebay has helped the collector but hurt most stores. I dont think the perceived lack of kids hurts in the long run. Kids dont have money. I didnt start collecting until I was 18. Im not sure kids jump from Magic or Pokemon to sports as they age, and Im sure some parents werent happy they spent all that $$ on pokemon and couldnt get anything back when junior lost interest..

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